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, the public is with me. >> yeah, but david, to gloria's point, all this election we heard from both candidates, mitt romney and from president obama and from all their supporters that this was a very clear choice, that the choice couldn't be clearer between president obama who wanted to raise taxes on the wealthiest americans, mitt romney, who did not, and yet now that the choice has been made, all of a sudden we're hearing from a lot of republicans saying well, that's not the choice the american people made. >> anderson, i would respectfully say that both parties intentionally muddled the choice during the campaign. neither candidate set forward a comprehensive agenda for dealing with the deficits and it's now incumbent on both parties to do that. i think we have no choice. i think gloria's right. the president ought to set the tone. i also think speaker boehner, speaker of the house, he's got to come forward. they, too, ought to be sitting down together along with two or three other leaders in the next 48 to 72 hours -- >> it doesn't sound like -- he made a statement about obama care being t
, their willingness to vote republican goes up. and yeah, when you have waiting voices in the party and romney i think is one of the worse -- if you were going to say what were the two worst substantive zwigses mitt -- decisions mitt romney made, one auto bailout. and compounding the primary last summer when he spurned marco rubio's dream act compromised. that's number one. number two, just shut up on social/cultural issuesment conservative evangelical christians will not be voting democratic any time soon. i think they need to deliver that message and private, quietly and get the heck away from that. i think if they do too, let me -- how many times in the course of a year do all of you hear someone say, well, i consider myself an economic conservative but. and you fill in the rest of the sentence. and there's a boat load of voters that the republican party is basically pushing away. and that mentality leads to you people making todd aiken kind of statement and people making the kind of richard murdoch kind of statement. and it's kind of like a her matekly -- hermetically sealed party that perpetuates
. that is an astounding number. >> yeah. >> let's say if you are a republican parent living in the east and have a democratic daughter at a college in the west. i just voted for romney. i hope you will too. as jim pointed out the disparity between the romney and obama campaigns on social media. they obviously did a much better job the obama campaign turning out their base than romney did. >> one of the themes out of election in the coverage that the romney campaign had yard signs and obama campaign had instant messages. we know who won this. mike flynn did a terrific piece, republicans have a huge problem they don't have a silicon valley connection. there are 40 executives from silicon valley working with obama campaign. and oraca was a complete fiasco. this is not a good sign. this is something that reporters will be digging up. >> jon: one of problems with social media that bad news travels fast. brian williams the nbc anchor had to correct an incorrect tweet that went out. there is a rogue re-tweet that we have called the massachusetts senate race. we have not. >> that happened a couple times
of the year. republicans thought they would be extended when mitt romney was president. well, to quote wesley snipes, always bet on black. >> yeah. >> all right. some americans not going to find the fiscal cliff so funny if they have to pay thousands more a we're. now congress negotiating trying to get a debt deal to stop the tax cuts from expiring, these massive budget cuts from going into effect. dana bash, who is on capitol hill. dana, so we know the president is invited congressional leaders from both parties to the white house this friday to talk about all this. there is the lust there. senate majority leader harry reid and senator minority leader mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi not surprising here. what's the expectation? >> well, you know, we'll see. publicly, suzanne, there has been a much more consillatory tone that we've seen since the election, whether it's from the president or the house speaker john boehner, but i can tell you in talking to sources privately on both sides of the aisle, they admit that it's all about positioning and posturing to make sure at the end of the day if
will talk about that on "the five" and we have an update on general petraeus. >>neil: if only mitt romney were more like bieber? justin? .. i always wait until the last minute. can i still ship a gift in time r christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express by december 22nd for christmas delivery. >>neil: he got their support. president obama breaking three social media records with the re-election campaign including the most re-tweets previously held by justin bieber to market watchers, often confused with justin on how republicans can play this game. >>guest: it hurt them. they look out of touch. they look bad and did bad. >>neil: how important is it, largely a young audience that uses this stuff? is that audience going to go largely to democrats anyway? >>guest: maybe not. everyone says this is the target they want to hit, hispanics, single women, women in general, young people, everyone talks about this great unscoffed marketplace for a candidate and twitter is the best way to reap them because
and governor romney and your wives were shocked by the results that were coming in. true? >> it is true. yeah. the polling we had, the numbers we were looking at looked like we stood a pretty good chance of winning, so when the numbers came in going the other direction, when we saw the kind of turnout that was occurring in urban areas which were really fairly unprecedented, it did come as a bit of a shock. those are the tough kind of losses to have, the ones that catch you by surprise. >> some critics jumped on those remarks and said historically urban has often been used as a code word for african-american voters. we can't say for sure what ryan meant there. but keeping them honest the election day picture was a bit more complicated than that. turnout among african-american voters was up this year and turnout was up in swing state cities but down in others. and the presidents win was not solely dependent on black or urban voters. he also won more than 7 in 10 asian, latino voters, 6 in 10 young voters and 55% of women voters nationwide. what's more, white voters played a big role in the pres
. what do you think is going on here? that's what i think. >> yeah. i think you're right basically. republicans seem to be really bad losers. mitt romney is apparently a bad loser. john mccain as you said earlier, i don't think he's ever gotten over 2008. so he's looking for any opportunity he has to stick a thumb in barack obama's eye. but jonathan is completely right. he picked the wrong person here. susan rice had nothing to do with benghazi. but, look, the republicans are facing an electoral wipeout in the last election. they still want to oppose barack obama any way they can, but what's their excuse? because the american people have now chosen barack obama over the republican guy. so what do they do? they have to gin up a conspiracy, a scandal of some sort, something they can attach the word gate to. now it's benghazi-gate. >> ron, you got it. this is the big alternative universal view of their world view in which you don't know what color the sky is over there. but they believe that this is as big as watergate and although nixon got re-elected in '72, he will come down by '74
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to latinos and african-americans. would you agree with that? >> yeah, absolutely. >> let me read something from your website. obama's appeal, black activists, blacks lost cause must get out white vote. black christian, shame, shame, shame. the black divider in chief, black actress supports romney. welcome home, sista spelled s-i-s-t-a. if this is on your website within the last month. how do you get black voters? >> i'm not familiar with what posts you're talking about. >> it's on teapartyexpress.org. >> wait, i don't know. i think probably lloyd marcus who is a spokesperson for tea party express probably wrote that. he's been with tea party express from the beginning. he is a proliffic blogger and writer, author and he's performed. that's my guess. but, look, we reach out to people all the time and there are african-americans, hispanics in this entire movement across the country. i mean, it doesn't -- we're not focused on race. what we are focused on are the fiscal issues and we want washington to reign in this out of control spending and live within their means so all americans win and w
this right. the -- mr. romney was soundly beaten both in the popular vote and the electoral college and the swing states that mattered the most? and it was all because of hurricane sandy? >> yeah, i think a less charitable person might be saying "and the dog ate my homework." in the 1980s, karl rove, a young political operative working in a democratic environment put together a memo. he explained how he was going to make the democrat ectexas political establishment a republican electoral gold mine, which he succeeded. in that memo, he wrote the words, when things are going badly, attack, attack, attack. that has always his motif. in this case, things went very, very badly, involving many very wealthy, very influential people, and his reaction is just attack the other guy. >> let me ask you this quickly. you've written two books, you know it very well d this tarnish the brand of karl rove? is this the beginning of the end of karl rover? >> it is not in my estimation the end of karl rove. remember in 2004 he was the hero, the architect who lifted george bush for reelection in difficul
agree with that? >> yeah, that's the second part of the equation. that is we had a candidate who was forcefully the biggest issue of this election, which was obama care, on the table. because he had romney care to deal with. and if we had been able to so as the center right coalition, if the candidate had been able to take barack obama to task for one of the most unpopular laws this country has ever passed, then i believe that we could have been successful in ousting president obama. >> steve latourette said he disagreed, when i asked him was that the problem was the conservatism of mitt romney, he said that the tea party's position on this was wrong. he actually said crap but i'll play what he said. >> there's one more phrase we use in ohio for that crap, and that's nonsense. and, you know, if you look at what happened. we lost charlie best and frank ginta in new hampshire. the republican party cannot be a national party if we give up the entire east coast of the united states and say that there aren't any -- we don't have any republicans in new england. we don't have any republ
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overnight? what was the hangover today? >> yeah. that was the goofy thing and that's why i think blaming barack obama's re-election today kind of a red herring. i don't know anybody would put capital at risk hoping romney to win having it get blasted today. this is realization we'll still not get anything done. romney coming into office, let's say he did win the problems don't go away because mitt romney steps into the oval office. the problems are still there. the business community not having confidence in the congress and administration to put forward a growth oriented environnt. higher taxes are not big of a deal if we're growing the economy. e economy is growing what, 1.5%? melissa: sort of like the whole pallet of jokers that got us into this mess we put them all right back in. >> yeah. i mean other than, maybe a binder or two full of women being elected to congress which is nice thing that happened last night. thereeare still a lot of jokers in congress, frankly don't wantnt to work together. they're like a bunch of children fighting over toys melissa in a sandbox where nobody wan
. >> yeah, i think that was well said. i think a lot of white people are turned off by this old style stuff. joanie, my question to you, my dear friend, how do you explain romney, who left the stage with such grace on election night, i'll tribute to that forever the way he did it, now going back over this again saying they bought the minority vote. this is the kind of thing he was saying during the campaign, remember. he was saying, they get rid of work requirement for welfare because he had to pay off his base. the feeding of the base. it's a theme he's still pushing. >> why does he say it, chris? because he really believes it. they really believe this is what it's all about and we've all been paid off. as cynthia says, i'm still waiting for my gifts, too. the thing that irks me to hear the two people from wisconsin speak so dismisses ively about their own population and own state -- i mean, paul ryan lost his own district, his city, his hometown, which is not a particularly urban place. but i cast -- >> 200,000 vote thieves. 200,000. >> and i cast my first vote for jimmy carter in suburba
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circumstances he would have been a lock for the president. >> yeah, president clinton, newt gingrich, they all go on and do just fine. >> thank you, fran, for doing that. the second guessing goes on about the reasons for mitt romney's defeat. we'll talk about the state of the republican party and whether it's stuck in the past. diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. approved! [ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'. >>> right now republicans are a wash in theories about why mitt romney lost the presidency. >> some party members are raising concerns that the gop is stuck way, way in the past. let's bring in the former bush speech writer, david frum. what's the answer? why did mitt romney lose? >> he is not lose because of just a bad campaign or defects as a candidate. let's start with this fact. since 1988 there have been six presidential elections. now you look from 1968 to 1988, the republicans won five of those elections, and over the whole six, including t
no association with black people whatsoever. pretty much like mitt romney this year. i know they always find some black people say oh, yeah, this is somebody that i know -- [laughter] but the fact of the matter is that if you look at his career and the aides that he had when he was a senator, all of the things in terms of the history. john mccain had no association whatsoever. so when he ran for the presidency in 2008, black people were not even on his radar. the african-american vote -- it was basically off-limits. that was not possible to appeal to them. that was a mistake. a lot of publicly expressed racist sentiment and the attitudes that go with it -- a lot of that came from the fact that republicans all of a sudden decided that black people are off limits. so we can have -- we need to appeal black people. black people are religious and i know they don't like gay marriage and so forth -- let's go to ohio and go to churches and go to african-american leaders. let's appeal to those african-americans based upon our shared values. and also our shared values are against gay marriage. >> what impa
can do it this time while -- yeah. i haven't slept in two days. the point is you can do it on the top line and force negotiations. >> what i was going to say, with romney you can -- romney was out there saying, i do want to get rid of these loopholes. so that's on the table. that's a republican plan right now. you can lower the top line rates, eliminate the loopholes, and raise a bunch of money. everyone can get along. there's a space here to do it. >> anxious to see the role paul ryan is going to play. republican hand wringing. this sandy business, they've got to stop. is it getting a little absurd? >> they have to think over things. you have two warring camps. mcdonnell was confrontational. people are lining up behind him. what they lack is a leader, a leader who can step up. jeb bush might be able to do it, but there is no leader that can unite these camps. >> democrats, 1988. shameless plug. you first? >> my brother and his wife, my sister-in-law had a new child on election day morning. family is very happy. new nephew. >> very nice, and his name is ballot. >> my shameless plug is
on the gridlock in washington. plus the romney reckoning. what really went long? what's next for the former gop standard bearer? and today's question, president obama re-elected. what should be the first thing on his agenda? melons!!! oh yeah!! well that was uncalled for. folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy, ronny? happier than gallagher at a farmers' market. get happy. get geico. chances are, you're not made of money, so don't overpay for motorcycle insurance. geico, see how much you could save. >>> republican spin doctors and donors are racking their brains trying to figure out how things went so horribly wrong when it came down to their guy losing the white house. all this as president obama tries to work with the man he ultimately defeated. >> i am looking forward to reaching out and working with leaders of both parties to meet the challenges we can only solve together -- reducing our deficit, reforming our tax code, fixing our immigration system, freeing ourselves from foreign oil. we've got more work to do. >> so what does all this partisan sou
really could have worked for romney is bipartisanship, to talk about how, as a republican governor and democratic state, he made it work. the romney campaign got to that late, probably too late. >> first debate. >> yeah, and mike, you also asked him what the biggest gift to the campaign was. was it the tape? was it the 47% tape? >> there was that, and he said they also made a terrible mistake at the end with that jeep commercial that we saw here on "morning joe" that had two automobile ceos coming out and calling romney who was supposed to be the business guy, the michigan native, calling him a liar basically. >> mike allen. >> that's not good. >> with a look at the "politico playbook." mike, thanks so much. >> at his age. >> for 102, he's good-looking. >> i tell you what. >> if i'm looking that good five or six years from now when i'm 102, i'll be happy. >> you know what it is? it's all that gingham pinafore. what is that? i don't know that what was. i don't know what i read there. >> keeps you young. >>> when we come back, not a good day yesterday for mark sanchez. what do we do
, they were never in a romney alone. you say let's wait for all the facts to come out, right? >> yeah. you have to wait. they say well, 20,000 or 30,000 pages. e-mails but what does that mean? one line can be one page. everyone when they are deployed, you are watching -- you do things to relieve stress whether eats watching movies, call home, some people write e-mails. i hope everyone didn't read every e-mail i sent home. we have to be careful not to rush to judgment and give men like this the benefit of the doubt. >> also i would say the report, the 20,000, 30,000 not accurate. maybe a couple hundred. >> yeah. and anywhere tash us, whatever you want to call them, again, speculation, speculation. this guy is a general running a warnings let him run the war. >> indeed. perhaps we should back off on our rush to judgment. pete, always a pressure. thanks for reporting early on this wednesday morning. >> all right. meanwhile straight ahead, a cheerleading stunt goes terribly wrong. it happen last night. wait until you see how this ends. >> on a hardwood floor. >> we will have to watch the show
. and we have more and more neighborhoods that vote 70-30 or 80-20 in favor of romney or obama than neighborhoods 60-40 or 50-50 between two presidential candidates and we are self sorting not only in to like-minded districts and that has indications for congress today. >> yeah. exactly. building on that, the question i'm not going to ask is tractor supply. that's not a real thing, right? >> oh, yeah, it is. >> are you kidding me? >> tractor supply stores? oh yeah. >> what you have written about before is people are redistricting with their feet and moving to live among like-minded people. and the corporations are moving in to take advantage of that which makes sense. but i think part of what's happening, right, leading to situations where this leads to extremism, right, that we get to the season where the primary is more important than the general election and leading to more and more and rewarding more and more extremism in politics especially and congress. right? >> well, you're absolutely right because voters become easier for political strategists to gerrymander in to like-mind
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for revolution. >> bill: yeah, right. >> we should all storm washington. >> bill: donald trump calling for revolution. >> demand that romney -- i'm not sure what we would be demanding. so macey's has -- macey's has his exclusive tie collection and so there is a petition now whether they sell frag rageses and ties and shirts and apparently he's some fashion icon. i didn't catch on to this until now. but a sign-on petition, close to 400,000 people saying look, macy's, you have to cut ties with this guy. he's a birther. he's a racist in many ways. and you just gotta -- you've gotta push him away. no response yet but what trump did do is yesterday afternoon seeing this petition, tweeted out go to macy's and buy my exclusive frag rankses and ties. he's feeding the beast. >> bill: couple of years ago in new york, i was walking up fifth avenue. i walked by this trump tower and i just said to carol let's go inside and see how gaudy the lobby is. sure enough, in the lobby they had this counter and they were selling donald trump -
aggressively to turn them out to vote. >> now, louisiana's republican governor, bobby jindal, says romney has it all wrong and he is not speaking for the entire republican party. he says that the gop plans to rebound from its election loss, it has to stop dividing the american voters. soledad? >> yeah, that's making some waves this morning. that full transcript of what he said, i mean, people can check out. i think it's in "the new york times," the "l.a. times" as well. a fascinating read. >> i thought it was remarkable, and actually quite surprised to read it, for a few reasons. >> or you can say, sounds like the 47% once again. we'll talk more about that. no surprise. let's get right to our next guest, chris van hollen. nice talking to you. >> good morning, soledad. >> let's talk about the escalation in out and out fighting now between israel and the palestinian militants. there are now 100 terror sites, apparently, according to israel, that they are attacking, in response to rocket attacks that have come from the palestinians. what is your take on what's happening here right now and how li
? >> yeah, it's going to take a lot more than that. first of all, let's remember that mitt romney as a candidate was probably the most hostile to illegal immigration and arguably immigration than any major party candidate had been maybe in my lifetime. or certainly in the last 30 years. john mccain almost lost the republican primary season in 2008 because he was in favor of comprehensive immigration reform. he had to double back. they're going to have to get out of that. they're going to have to be able to say there is a different path forward, not just to citizenship, but to dealing with immigration as an issue, which is complicated, understandably. but start with more actually free market type of solutions and say, hey, look, why are we micromanaging the number of immigrants from each and every country? why don't we expand the number of visas? start with that, certainly. start shutting down people who use immigration as a very passionate and very irrational issue from which to sort of project all of their fears. >> we are already starting to see and hear some of that from folks
election they said governor romney was the center of the candidates, but had to pass through the primary system. how can that be adjusted? >> yeah. i pick on the democratic and republican side. there was talk about that, and until you go to a national primary, which no one is talking seriously about, you're going to have this issue. i was with somebody last night who said there is some iowa republicans who were recently meeting saying, gosh, we got to be careful that people won't even come participate in our caucus system again to be sure it's broad, you know, get people involved so it's a broad spectrum of the republican party, and that's state-by-state to the center of the caucus system, a self-elected system, be careful people broadly represent the party, but, no, primaries are going to continue, the vetting process, this go-around, the president had no opponent, obviously, and he was free to have a rose garden strategy at first, but at the same time, pull mel mitt romney. you recall in the primary, herman cain was going to be the candidate, rick perry was going to be the candidate, n
that effect. so yeah, we're going to hear a bunch of people with iqs lower than room temperature say that mitt romney lost because he wasn't conservative enough. but i think after republicans go through seven stages of grief and get, then they can get to a point where they can make some changes that they're going to need if they're going to be a party of the future. >> thanks charlie. let me at the charlie's remarks. appreciate you are here to listen to us, and we are trying to say something that is interesting and thoughtful and novel hours after the polls closed. i think charlie today. i hope i somehow come close to what he said. i really wanted to come out here, i really wanted to come out here and say, i just heard what charlie said, there is not one thing i agree with. is absolutely wrong about everything. because i never say that. we always agree. and i consider commander-in-chief thing i disagreed with him but the problem is, we are in general agreement her, general in sync on what happened. you know, politics are so much about expectations. and expectations change throughout the entire
the ones that have no ability whatsoever in some of the exotic party. yeah, we are going to hear a bunch of people with iq's lower than room temperature say that mitt romney lost because he was not conservative enough. but i think after republicans go through their seven stages of grief, they can get to a point where they can make some changes if they will be a party for the future. >> thank you, charlie. we enjoy being here. we're trying to say something that is interesting and thoughtful and novel hours after the polls close. i hope i come close to what he said. i really wanted to come out here. i really wanted to come out here and say -- i just heard what charlie said. there is not one thing i agree with. he is absolutely wrong about everything. i never say that. we always agree. [laughter] we are in general agreement on what happened. politics is so much about expectations. expectations changed out the cycle at various points. if i told the we were going into election day and it was a -- you would have been surprised. before the first presidential debate -- after bill clinton walked
is regulators say is okay. >> yeah. >> 3 billion buy back in the quarter. next quarter. >> checked with them. that's the stock that came down because romney lost and very hard to relate on the loss versus dividend increase and buy back but i think the overreaction in the banks was considerable yesterday. i look for them to stabilize. >> brings to mind an upgrade today. >> an upgrade of isi and they expect increased dividends and buybacks and every time they buy back shares, the intangible book value goes up. and bank of america was one of those stocks hit very, very hard within the financial sector in yesterday's selloff. down 7%. that was the steep decline. this call this morning, very bullish. $18 a share by 2015. >> i know. wow. >> 18 bucks. when's the last time it was $18? >> 2000. >> 2007. i don't know. >> i think it was -- went up there in 2010 before it slid down and senator-elect warren is an important figure in terms of getting headlines. she is compelling. she is able to make a lot of noise but she doesn't i think in the end control regulatory regime and put in place. she's just ab
was the vice president just abandoned the president. >> he ran against him, yeah. >> right. >> that was a tough moment. now the system was different then. if you came in second you became vice president. imagine the obama/romney situation in that sense. he and john adams were the great frenemies in life. they fell out over politics in the 1790s and came back together again. it's actually an interesting tale of redemption. they fundamentally disagreed about the most important things about the country, but they admired each other in the sense that they were both fighting in a cause. >> can we ask about sally hemmings? you write this, slavery was a real subject where it kept him from martialing his hope in the service of cause of reform. on one hand, big reformer. you talked about optimism. on the other hand, his actual life completely contradicted that. >> absolutely. >> people describe sally, that she was in love with him. oth others have said that was completely untrue, that she was a slave and in a position that she was going to do whatever it took to survive. there's a range of theories on th
that have no ability whatsoever in some of the exotic party. one-party -- yeah, we are going to hear a bunch of people with iq is lower than room temperature say that mitt romney lost because he was not conservative enough. but i think after republicans go through their seven stages of grief, they can get to a point where they can make some changes if they will be a party for the future. >> thank you, charlie. we enjoy being here. we're trying to say something that is interesting and thoughtful and novel hours after the polls close. i hope i come close to what he said. i really wanted to come out here, i really wanted to come out here and say -- i just heard what charlie said. there is not one thing i agree with. he is absolutely wrong about everything. i never said that. we always agree. [laughter] we are in general agreement on what happened. politics is so much about expectations. expectations changed out the cycle at various points. if i told the we were going into election day and it was a -- you would have been surprised. before the first presidential -- after bill clinton walked out o
bobby jindal? >> yeah, saying what you said. let's go to the politico playbook's executive editor jim vandehei. in the wake of mitt romney's loss, how are folks in the gop like jindal trying to reframe the party's agenda? using joe's words. >> well, good morning. bobby jindal called politico to offer his first thoughts on the election. and it's pretty interesting. he said the party has to stop being the stupid party and that they have to recalibrate pretty dramatically and stop being the party of big business, big wall street, big banks, big anything. and he said this dumbed down conservatism is killing the republican party. >> boy, i'll tell you what, man, that -- it's so great hearing him say that. of course, nicole wallace and i always were talking about, you know, nicole has said and i've repeated on this show all the time she said, let's stop having the debate on whether the conservative party or moderate party. let's stop being the stupid party. and i think jindal's right. and that's the thing that was so frustrating. why weren't we just as suspicious of big banks and big corpor
might have said well governor romney was among the most centrists of the candidates but he had to pass through that primary system. how can that be adjusted? >> yeah. i think on the democratic and republican side there was a lot of talk about that. until you go to a national primary which no one is talking seriously about, you're going to have this issue. and i was with somebody last night who told me there was some iowa republicans who were recently meeting say, gosh, we've got to be careful that people won't even come participate in our caucus system again, to get enough people involved so it is a broad spectrum of the republican party. that is state by state through the caucus system and more of a self-selected system. we need to be careful people are broadly representing the party. primaries i think are going to continue and go through that vetting process this go round. the president has no primary opponent obviously and he was free to have a rose garden strategy at first, but at the same time pummel mitt romney on the airwaves in the ohio, virginia, florida, and other states. we
, there is big distinction here now, you can raise revenue but don't touch the tax rates. >> yeah. bill: how would you do that? >> okay, you could do that by cutting some loopholes. obviously, with this new administration, you're not going to get tax rates cut. that was the romney plan, to raise revenues. so you could eliminate some loopholes, deductions, for example, as a way of bringing in more tax revenue. but you're right, bill, there is a key distinction between tax rates and raising revenues by cutting loopholes. bill: give me an example. what would that deduction be? >> suppose you narrow the mortgage interest deduction, just suppose, that is not necessarily on the table, just suppose you did that, millionaires can not deduct all of their mortgage interest. you can't do that. that would be a loophole which you could cut. that is not necessarily on the table but that is an example. bill: go ahead. >> the bottom line is, bill, tax revenues are very likely to go up one way or the other, they will go up, starting early next year. and plus, promises to cut spending later and don't care abo
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